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JinxieWolfie

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Looking at just swapping the motor out to a Matrix Magnum or Godzilla, just wondering if it will fit. I know they are both short type motors but read a couple of places where they weren't able to be swapped so just wondering if anyone has done it themselves.
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I was able to swap a element ultra torque into my vector, not sure if it will mesh with stick gears as I swapped them as well. The only issue you might have is the spring on the neck of the motor. I had to use a spring from a long type motor or it wouldn't function correctly when adjusting motor height.
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Awesome, Thank you. Did the new motor help with the screech or is it still present? Main reason I'm looking into swapping it is that noise. Other big question is did you have any luck fitting a new piston into it? I tried and noticed that the stock piston is slanted on the sides and even when I put the new one it it pulled back then got locked.
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Awesome, Thank you. Did the new motor help with the screech or is it still present? Main reason I'm looking into swapping it is that noise. Other big question is did you have any luck fitting a new piston into it? I tried and noticed that the stock piston is slanted on the sides and even when I put the new one it it pulled back then got locked.
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Well if anyone is following this I just ordered some 8mm bearings and a matrix magnum motor. Should be in sometime within the next week and giving it another go to see if the noise dampens. Haven't been able to locate a new piston but have been a bit busy so haven't done too much research into that.
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My piston I left stock and swiss cheesed. The compression was perfect on mine so I left it alone. Atm the moment my gun doesn't have any screeching noise. I recently opened it up and installed a truhop and 155mm 6.03 barrel and reshimmed the gears, and swapped to a new 25amp fuse. Runs faster and quiter now.
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Mine is on Matrix 18:1s from Evike who did an utterly crap job shimming it. So I got it reshimmed, put a 30amp fuse, 155mm tightbore, maple leaf bucking, angel custom H-nub and they dropped in an APS Nozzle. It hits fine FPS wise just the noise is annoying me to no end. Hoping that with it being regreased, shimmed, and maybe the new motor that will drop it off. So hoping that solves it because while I could get used to it that still annoys to crap out of me. I mean for $450 (More like $800-900 with all my mags etc.) I would expect it to be somewhat nicer. I'm not unhappy with the vector and maybe mine is just a flaw but I've seen some other people complaining about it too so I don't know. Going to try and do everything I can to solve the issue because I love the platform still.
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Well if anyone is following this I just ordered some 8mm bearings and a matrix magnum motor. Should be in sometime within the next week and giving it another go to see if the noise dampens. Haven't been able to locate a new piston but have been a bit busy so haven't done too much research into that.


What happen to the original piston?
You might run into issues with bearing if you use none original gears. The reason being that the holes for the bushing/bearing aren't deep, thus they pertrude further into the gearbox. The stock vector gears are beveled where they meet the bushings allowing them to fit perfect in the gearbox. I kept by bushings stock. When I got new gears I had to sand down the bushings or I would blow the fuse from the gearbox squeezing the gears to tight.
Sector: Has an integrated delayer.
Spur: Has a skinny neck compared to other spur gears and is not a standard v2, so you can't mix the gears. The skinny neck allows the use of the spring without appling to much pressure on the gear. Wider than regular v2.
Bevel: There was something special about the bevel also but I can't remember lol.
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What happen to the original piston?
You might run into issues with bearing if you use none original gears. The reason being that the holes for the bushing/bearing aren't deep, thus they pertrude further into the gearbox. The stock vector gears are beveled where they meet the bushings allowing them to fit perfect in the gearbox. I kept by bushings stock. When I got new gears I had to sand down the bushings or I would blow the fuse from the gearbox squeezing the gears to tight.
Sector: Has an integrated delayer.
Spur: Has a skinny neck compared to other spur gears and is not a standard v2, so you can't mix the gears. The skinny neck allows the use of the spring without appling to much pressure on the gear. Wider than regular v2.
Bevel: There was something special about the bevel also but I can't remember lol.

 

Nothing happened to it just was in it already and have had one sitting for my LMG that I never got put in. That could be an issue with mine then so it could be relegated to the ones with the 400Fps kit from Evike, mine isn't blowing fuses when I swapped the piston back so I know that was the cause. Even looked into the gearbox and saw that it was locked back, I only put a few dry shots out of it after I got it shimmed so it might settle in more when I am at the field today. I plan on trying anything I can to get it atleast down to a MK2 noise level. I'd love to be able to figure out how to get it down to P90 level but I don't think that will be possible. Anything is worth a try if it will help right now lol.

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Mine is on Matrix 18:1s from Evike who did an utterly crap job shimming it. So I got it reshimmed, put a 30amp fuse, 155mm tightbore, maple leaf bucking, angel custom H-nub and they dropped in an APS Nozzle. It hits fine FPS wise just the noise is annoying me to no end. Hoping that with it being regreased, shimmed, and maybe the new motor that will drop it off. So hoping that solves it because while I could get used to it that still annoys to crap out of me. I mean for $450 (More like $800-900 with all my mags etc.) I would expect it to be somewhat nicer. I'm not unhappy with the vector and maybe mine is just a flaw but I've seen some other people complaining about it too so I don't know. Going to try and do everything I can to solve the issue because I love the platform still.


Also on the subject of shimming the gears, I noticed the sector gear does not need shims. I know this sounds crazy so let me explain. the sector gear actually touches the anti-reversal latch thing (idk what it's called but they sale them on evike). This keeps the sector gear for moving up and down (side to side depending on orientation) also. I currently have no shims on the top of my sector gear and the only sound my gun makes is a "poof" if I dry fire and a "clack" if I shoot a BB, zero gear noise which surprised me. I did noticed if I used a 30amp fuse I would have issues with fire selector: semi would shoot 2/3 rounds, so I swapped to a 25amp and the issue is gone. Just food for thought though.

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Also on the subject of shimming the gears, I noticed the sector gear does not need shims. I know this sounds crazy so let me explain. the sector gear actually touches the anti-reversal latch thing (idk what it's called but they sale them on evike). This keeps the sector gear for moving up and down (side to side depending on orientation) also. I currently have no shims on the top of my sector gear and the only sound my gun makes is a "poof" if I dry fire and a "clack" if I shoot a BB, zero gear noise which surprised me. I did noticed if I used a 30amp fuse I would have issues with fire selector: semi would shoot 2/3 rounds, so I swapped to a 25amp and the issue is gone. Just food for thought though.

 

On the stock gears it may but mine was moving badly to each side of the gearbox and causing it to sound like the piston was stripping with each shot. I carry a pile of fuses for all my guns when I am on the field so if I have that issue I might try that, thank you. The issue with mine could just be the after market gears in the end which is possible, at the time I got it Evike didn't show that they replaced the gears, was only a nozzle and spring swap. I called and they seemed to have updated the website to reflect the extra work now. If I had a stock gear set I could possibly try those as well and see. It could just be an amalgamation of the gears, grease not worked into them yet, and the bearings. I plan on running it atleast a few games today and seeing what happens. Thank you for all the help and information on this thing.

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Well good and bad news. Good news is the noise is a lot less, still there a little but way less. Bad news, I goofed somewhere when putting my new barrel into it and it was only running 150 on .2s with a m130. So that was fun lol.


Have you got it fixed? If not what parts did you change?
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Have you got it fixed? If not what parts did you change?


Wont know for sure till I get to the field this weekend. Just swapped the bucking back and rechecked the gearbox seals.
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Have you got it fixed? If not what parts did you change?


Well I was able to get the matrix motor in and set. Used the factory motor spring. It seems okay but still doesn't sound great. I'm going to try and run it today and see how it does before I look at putting the bearings in.
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Well I was able to get the matrix motor in and set. Used the factory motor spring. It seems okay but still doesn't sound great. I'm going to try and run it today and see how it does before I look at putting the bearings in.


77 on .28s lol.
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